Biodiesel & fuel cell powered electric generators

September 23rd, 2008

Question:
How feasible is it to have an electric generator that runs
diesel/filtered used vegetable oil (as biodiesel, or whatever), or
even hydrogen fuel cells, to produce electricity for a household, on a
permanent basis?

Answer:
I’m not a rocket scientist when it comes to this, but after listening
to all the hype about ‘veggie mobiles’ and biodiesel (as well as fuel
cell technology) and so forth, it struck me suddenly that a remote
compound out in the ultrarural area could cut it all umbilical cords
of dependence to the Powers That Be[tm], and still provide reliable
electricity, using infinitely renewable fuel, in and of itself, for
itself.

The acquisiton of the vegetable oil for the filters could be as simple
as going to a fast food restaurant and getting it from their fryers
(they throw the stuff out anyways), or some method within the compound
(I say compound because I define ‘compound’ as a totally isolated,
self-enclosed site which can operate by its lonesome). The easier,
more readily renewable, and cheaper the biodiesel factor can be
solved, the closer the average residential sheep can get, to
substituting the power they get from the electric company.

solar power production

September 23rd, 2008

Question:
What would be the feasability of a large, I mean large, number of solar panels
set across an unpopulated area, say the desert? In terms of meeting a city’s
needs, how much power would this generate? How much could it cost? If big
enough, could it replace the environmentally unsound other means of supplying
energy.

Answer:
Here is a a scenario on large scale solar power production.Solar is not a panacea,
but more likely part of a healthy mix of sources. It is unrealistic to expect a
shift to large scale solar power production in the next decade, and possibly
unrealistic to not expect it in the next three. It appears more R&D in the area
is warranted.

Our best data for the economics of large scale solar power production comes
from the experience of Luz, Intl, a southern CA company that recently went
bankrupt (which is a powerfule statement in and of itself). Luz used arrays
of moving parabolic mirrors to focus light on fluid filled pipes mounted inside
vacuum insulated glass tubes, which heated to 735 degrees and exchanged to
superheat steam. This works best in climes where AC is a big part of peak load
(Luz used used natural gas turbines as a backup). A major factor in Luz’s
failure appears to have been inconsistent tax policies. Luz’z plants were
reportedly producing power at about $0.08/kwhr. The tech itself may not be
dead: Socal Edison, a largish utility, plans to put a similar plant online by
1998, storing the heat in molten salt, which has the advantage of leveling
power output. (Have I got that right, Paul, Tom?). Both are solar thermal
tech, as opposed to photovoltaic. (Solar thermal still seem a bit crude, like
we don’t have enough control over silicon to make PV economic. But I digress.)

One of the arguments against solar energy technology is that it would require
covering huge expanses of the Southwest’s scenic desert to provide substantial
amounts of power. Speaking as one who loves the desert and has expended a
modest amount of effort defending it, I think some accommodation could be
reached. There’s a lot of public rangeland heavily damaged by grazing, and the
benefits of cow removal could offset the effects of land consumption for sun
ranching. This scheme would probably be a net environmental plus if ~1% of
receipts went towards habitat restoration and enhancement.

How much land would be required for large scale power production? The United
States’ current installed electrical capacity of 730 gigawatts could be gen-
erated by a solar plant 80 miles by 80 miles, extrapolating from the Luz design.
This is smaller than the DOE nuclear test range and Nellis Air Force Base, for
example. Note that this is the more valuable PEAK power only, and does not
address base load or storage. Land use comes in at ~10 square miles per Gw.

6400 square miles sounds like a lot of land, particularly to most Easterners
and urbanites. Estimate the cost of consuming that much land in terms of
the good and services which would be displaced: assuming only the lowest value
activities are displaced, then the commodity eliminated would be mostly
public lands grazing, at a rate of $1.90 per animal unit month, where an AUM is
about 50 acres (it values greatly, 50 is on the small side for an average value.
Note that comparing land use between solar and grazing, Luz could produce ~10
megawatts on the area required by one cow). That’s 13 cows per square mile,
or about 78,000 homeless cows to supply the PEAK equivalent of US installed
electrical capacity. Assuming a 6 month occupancy, we have a net of ~$1M in
lost revenue for the land. Land availability shouldn’t be a major problem.

If this land were to replace public lands grazing, it would be occur under the
jurisdiction of the Bureau of Land Management, which supervises some 400,000
square miles of land, mostly in the arid west. The BLM is an agency considered
friendly to resource extraction industries. For reasons of geography, the most
efficient locations span a belt from roughly Bakersfield CA to Big Bend TX (the
region of mean daily solar radiation over 700 langleys). CA, NV, and esp. AZ
and NM have large amounts of public land suited to solar power production.
Utah, Wyoming, and Colorado also have decent sites. Idunno about the SE.

The ecological impact would be significant and must be considered. Much of the
land in question is in awful shape from a century of abusive grazing, but still
provides critical habitat. Mitigation of impacts of consuming land for energy
production would require careful site selection. Perhaps areas most disturbed
might be targeted for solar production. Other design criteria could include
avoiding riparian areas, and areas of significant scenic, recreational,
historical, geologic or biological value. In the end siting would be decided
by a combination of arm-wrestling, breast-beating, mud-slinging, ambush, and
name-calling; that is, through the normal political process.

Potential problems of large scale solar power production include initial
investment costs, maintenance, wind, loss of light incidents, and
earthquakes.

Maintenance is a big one: deposited dust degrades the efficiency of the mirrors,
so that frequent cleaning would be required. The problem with this is that it
takes a LOT of water. The water requirements will be a show stopper if not
successfully addressed. Note also that steam turbines in general require a
lot of water, a rather scarce and precious commodity in the arid West. For this
reason, large scale solar may have to wait for PV technology. If the water
issue can be solved, then solar thermal production has strong potential.

Wind is another issue to be considered: the Luz arrays folded up for
protection when the wind was blowing briskly. For this and weather reasons,
a robust design for major solar power production would be distributed across
several plants, hopefully located in relatively wind and dust free areas.

Geothermal Pumps

September 22nd, 2008

Question:
Had considered Geothermal heat pump but the high
initial cost and uncertain (ie longer than what the installer clains)
payback on it has ruled it out. Air source heat pump is probably my
next choice. If I didnt have to figure for AC (we are out in the open,
no shade) I might consider some type of hydronic (boiler with
baseboard heat) but I figure we will probably need some AC in the peak
summer. Any advice? We will have a fireplace (Vermont Castings) so I
figure the fireplace would offset the inefficiency of the air source
heat pump at temps below 30 deg. What would you do?

Answer:
You should learn more about the fireplace before you count on it
for heating your home. Most fireplaces aren’t designed as furnaces
and some will even suck the heat out of your home.

Lastly, there is nothing saying you can’t have multiple forms of
heating and cooling. For instance, whole house fans can cool the
house during the night so it’ll take longer to warm up in the
morning. Solar air heaters, sunspaces, attached greenhouses or
the like can provide some heat. Adding phase change materials
inside the building can give it more temperature stability. Corn
and pellet furnaces can work in conjunction with heat pumps.

There are some very efficient split air conditioner/heat pumps that
are coming available with a COP of about 6.
It may be possible to use the heat from a ground source to keep
maintain the capacity of an air source heat pump by pumping water over
the fins.

Biodiesel Org

September 22nd, 2008

Question:
I remember reading somewhere that converting the Willamette valley to
growing oil-rich hemp would yield enough biodiesel to power the west
coast. Of course, it was from some pro-hemp propaganda, but it conveys
the idea. Why is biodiesel not practical on a large scale? What are the
‘questions about cost’ you mention?
Biodiesel’s being made and used all over the place. biodiesel.org and
cu-biodiesel.org are good places to learn about it.

Answer:
My original point still stands: Biodiesel is a sustainable energy source
that could compete directly with OPEC’s petro economy. If we want to
compete with OPEC, we have to change the market, and that means growing
products instead of pumping them out of the ground.
Switch over to sustainable energy sources. Biodiesel springs immediately
to mind as direct competition.
Actually, people have used vegetable oil directly in diesels:
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_svo.html

Biodiesel Equipment

September 22nd, 2008

Question:
I am clueless when it comes to equipment, but what Ron wrote about the
filters taking care of picking junk off the bottom sounds reasonable to me.
Since our total capacity is 550, with a delivery requirement of
500…pumping down to 50 gallons left in the tank shouldn’t be too much of
an issue with sludge, should it??? If the equipment can be adjusted, or new
equipment installed, to make this possible, that seems okay to me.

Answer:
I don’t think sludge should be a major problem unless and the filter
should be able to take care of it unless there is something really
wrong with the tank or the fuel we’re getting. It may also be because
of how the two tanks are plumbed together that is making it difficult
to get more biodiesel out of the tank. Even if the pump goes down far
enough to get most of the fuel out there is still just as much fuel in
the other tank. I need to check them both to see if they are level
and ideally the tank without the pump should be elevated a little
higher than the other tank to ensure that all the biodiesel is out of
that one before the tank with the pump runs dry. I will take
measurements and try to get the pump as close to the bottom as
possible when we get closer to refilling. In the mean time I will see
if I can make a mounting bracket for the filters and flow meter for
ease of maintenance and operation.

swimming pool solar heaterr

September 22nd, 2008

Question:
I am looking for plans to build a solar heater for my above ground
swimming pool…anyone have any info?

Answer:
-Talk to some local plumbers and have them look out for old solar pannels
( domestic units ) and put them inline with a pump… worked on my above
ground pool… 3) 4*6 glazed units..
-My first recommendation for any pool, especially above-ground pools,
is to use a solar blanket - at least at night to keep the heat in. If
you’re not using a solar blanket - forget about using a solar system.

Above ground pools are seldom heated, let alone solar heated. Unless
they are buried, or partially buried in the ground, they lose a
significant amount of heat from their sides, as well as from the
surface of the water. As a result they cool off quickly - but - they
also warm up quickly (on warm days).

Solar is the most expensive type of pool heater to install - and the
cheapest one to operate ($0). However that initial cost would likely
be several times the cost of the above gound pool, so the economics
don’t look that great - unless you’re bound and determined to heat it
with something - like gas or electricity.

For do-in-yourselfers (not a typo) I recommend buying a manufactured
solar panel, rather than trying to build something from materials from
a hardware store. The plumbing to and from the solar panel is likely
to be enough of a challenge. As with in-ground pools start with 50% of
the pool’s surface area in solar collector area:

IF: 1.) You are using a solar blanket
2.) The solar panel(s) face south
3.) There is no shade on the pool between 9am & 5pm.

A 4′ x 10′ solar panel will typically cost $250-$300 with hardware.
Check with a reputable pool company if there are no solar
companies/installers in your yellow pages.
-Solar panels can be purchased over the web for $169.20 per 40 sq. ft. You
would need a system kit at the cost of $21.00. The manufacturer has been in
business for 2o years. For prices go to
http://www.northwestwholesale.com/Solar_Panel.htm

Solar power is the original source of all the energy on Earth

September 22nd, 2008

Question:
Solar power is the original source of all the energy on Earth — including
oil.
The energy in fossil fuels is nothing but solar power from millions of years
ago.
Extracting that energy is complex, costly, and messy.
It’s also based in a technology that dates back more than a hundred years.
Compared to the march of technology on virtually every other front,
oil-based energy not only comes from a dinosaur, it is a dinosaur.
Yet we’re supposed to believe we have to cling to fossil fuels and turn a
blind eye to other options, even as the world moves closer to
the brink over conflicts that would not exist in the first place if we were
not so obsessively focused on oil technology that, by all rights,
should be obsolete by now. (And will be obsolete very soon regardless of
what we do)

Answer:
You have my vote on all of the above.

I like teh idea of “alternative” energy. Actually, since wind and water
power predate the internal combustion engine, isn’t it oil that’s “not
mainstream”?

Which brings to mind - if you have solar panels of your roof, how can those
be protected from severe storms? It’d be neat of they (or at least, the
housing for them) could be integrated into the roof, with maybe
something like those steel (or whatever they’re made of) roll-down
“shutters” (that you see for windows) installed. Esp. if such things could
be installed in a recessed manner (same for windows) so that they don’t
stick out and look ugly when not in use. That way, it seems to me, one
wouldn’t have to weaken the house by always hammering in nails (for
plywood) then taking them out, and then repeating the process over and
over. Just crank down the shutters, and crank the one over the solar
panel(s) shut. When the storm passes, crank it open and resume power
generation. People I know (in “real” life) tell me that’s “nuts” because
it “can’t be done”, but I don’t know why not, if one is willing to pay to
have it done.

The main “problem” with solar is that the panels aren’t very attractive,
but if they (or a housing for them) could be recessed into, or otherwise be
made part of, the roof, for example, they’d look better (be less
noticeable). If one had panels in the yard, I’m wondering whether the
panels couldn’t form the roof of something like a screened-in “garden
room”. Or some sort of ancored strong structure that could double as a
tool shed (as opposed to those aluminim or plastic ones that seem too often
to take to the air in strong winds). I dunno, maybe it’s not possible to
build such a structure but if not, I don’t understand why not.

It just seems to me that there has to be a ways to make solar more enticing
to more people, and I’ve heard people complain that the panels are “too
ugly”, so I’m trying to think up ways to inprove the appearance and also
keep them relatively wind-resistant

Solar power cost analysis?

September 22nd, 2008

Question:
“Everyone” knows solar power is better than non-renewable energy sources,
but I would like to know of any studies that look at the overall costs of
solar power - everything from the mining of the materials required for
solar cells, to solar cell and solar panel construction, installation and
maintenance costs…. Internet-accessible studies preferred. (My
studies tell me it’s cheaper to grope the ‘net than it is to drive to the
library.

Answer:
Good cost information on a renewable energies is available in:

Johanssons, T., B. et. al. (Editors),
Renewable Energy Sources for Fuels and Electricity,
Earthscan Publication Ltd., London, 1993
ISBN 1-55963-139-2 Hardback
ISBN 1-85383-155-7 Paperback

The costs are not broken down in detail into mining, manufacturing
construction…, but all these costs are included in the final cost of the
Product.

Boidiesel illegal? You betcha.

September 21st, 2008

Question:
from a quick read on the UK biodiesel forum it seems that
biodiesel is currently taxed slightly higher than conventional diesel.
This looks set to change with the current budget, but not for another
year. Due to economies of scale, commercial production of biodiesel
doesn’t seem viable as conventional diesel will beat it on price — a
case for removal of the tax perhaps?

Answer:
The issue there is irrelevant to the biodiesel argument because we can
already grow enough food to feed the hungry, distribution is the problem
(remember the old food mountains) not quanitity of food available.
Have you ever used biodiesel ever? I am surpised that people use our
current diesel fuel at the moment. I have said it one twice and three
times and I will say it again properly made bio diesel is BETTER than
the crap you get at the bowsers. I have made and used biodeisel and I
have experimented with it and its a fuck load better than the shit you
buy at the service stations.
And a very expensive way as well. Biodiesel has a future but the
fuckwits who call themselves the government put a stop to it.

OT: Solar Power, desalted water

September 21st, 2008

Question:
I think there are two technologies that can make a huge difference for the
better for the human race. CHEAP solar energy. (MIght keep your kids from
fighting in the Pesian Gulf someday.) And CHEAP desalted water. (Might keep
your kids from fighting the next guy’s kids for water:)

We already have an expensive variety of each. What can we do to encourage the
deevelopment of economical varietis of each?

Answer:
There is a profit in both. There is no finer encouragement than that.
Just last week there was an announcement of self-organizing organic
solar cells at 38% (close) efficiency but only in the green range so
overall not that efficient. There are other problems in the solar
business. The best you can get at sea level at the equator on the
equinoxes is about 1 hp per square yard which conveniently about 1 kW
per sq meter at 100% efficiency. Everything is less than that and even
that averages to 1/2 kW-Hr over a day.

If you want maximum return per square meter there is zero light under
them so nothing grows. Now do a few calculations for your latitude and
find the square meters you need with any reasonable efficiency and that
38% is about a thermodynamic maximum. The can’t beat thermo yet. The
power companies us a one kW per home (24 kW-Hrs a day) rule of thumb for
homes but that the average not the peak load. If you put them on your
roof it is a great supplement for summer air conditioning but near
worthless for winter heating.

And if you really try it for A/C you need one expensive DC to 240VAC
converter.

Now if a power company uses solar cells there is another problem. it
does require land but cheap land is far from cities while transmission
losses increase with distance. A rule of thumb is 1/3 of all generated
power is lost in transmission in all the steps from power plant to the
home.

The next problem is using solar power at night. As an easy rule of
thumb you generate twice as much during the day so there is power for
the night. That is twice as much land for solar cells where nothing
grows. Politically does anyone believe the econuts are not preparing to
attack solar power exactly on the grounds of destruction of the ecology?

If you play with the numbers a bit, a very expensive house with high
maintanence storage and A/C conversion is practical up to about St.
Louis. And you find it is impossible for anything else like apartment
and office buildings not to mention factories.

There are practical limits to its applicability even if all problems,
like efficient and affordable energy storage, are solved. We need to
silence the econuts so they don’t whine about creating tens of square
miles of barren wasteland per city to supply them.

Encouragement is not the issue. The issue is solar power is over-hyped
as it is and lots of R&D money is being sucked up by it without a
rational assessment of its limitations. What the hype does do is pay for
throw off technologies which are much more valuable. Say
superconductors. If we had them for high voltage distribution lines now
there would be about 20% less loss and thus less fossil fuel burned.
Bring superconductors all the way to the home and you get a full 33%
savings. But that is only fuel and fuel is only 1/3 of electricity cost
so we get only 11% reduction in the power bill and that is only if the
superconductor lines are the same price in acquisition and ownership as
copper.

One example, I plaster your roof with solar cells free and I maintain
them free but you pay for the rest. Just what in your home runs on DC
power? Only things which have an A/C adapter plugin power. So you have
to buy a DC/AC converter and a lot of expensive batteries if you want to
have power at night. A/C and electric hear are going to dominate your
battery requirements. And all those days and nights when little of
either is needed, the solar power is thrown away.

I have not considered desalinization in the same detail but at present
the process appears limited by replacement and maintenance costs.** The
reverse osmosis membranes are doing an energy consuming process and are
not self repairing. There appears to be a thermodynamic limit here in
that for a particular membrane whatever is done to increase efficiency
increases the rate they wear out and need replacing. Even a membrane
which could be regenerated without being remanufactured would be a major
development.